AAFM Reunion at Great Falls.

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Re: AAFM Reunion at Great Falls.

Postby hockey85 on Wed Oct 31, 2012 7:07 pm

rkfoos wrote:I proudly display my "100 Missions Under North Dakota" patch and that was from the early 80's at Minot. Some of our crew dogs also had a "200 Mission" rocker that they added (poor saps). Usually once you got in one of the shops it was very difficult to get the 200 mission rocker.


I proudly got my 200 Alerts under Montana patch. I was in the shop as a deputy instructor and commander evaluator, and finished up as flight commander. I still ended up with 203 alerts even with all my shop time. I'm glad I got over 200 though. It was a goal I had when I first got to Malmstrom, and just squeeked by with 203, haha. :D
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Re: AAFM Reunion at Great Falls.

Postby rkfoos on Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:51 pm

I probably should have put that in context. Back in the day at Minot, once you went into one of the shops, you generally stayed until the end of your tour. We had the dual-qualified system where you actually had to be a commander before you went into one of the shops and then you could evaluate/instruct either position. Our line guys back then pulled 8 a month and the shop guys pulled 2 plus a standby every month. There were a few guys that did thier whole 4 years on the line, but not many.
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Re: AAFM Reunion at Great Falls.

Postby keskiyo on Thu Nov 01, 2012 1:10 am

Every so often, we have someone break 300.

The horror...
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Re: AAFM Reunion at Great Falls.

Postby PASMAN II on Thu Nov 01, 2012 4:04 am

Won't mention any names, but I know a guy who managed to stay a Deputy for three years (busts, attitude, etc). I don't know how he slipped under the radar, but when he joined my flight I told him he needed to upgrade to Commander ASAP. He told me he would be happy being a Deputy his whole four years on crew. I pushed him to say that to the SQ/CC. He waltzed into the SQ/CC's office to discuss his "forever" Deputy desires. Let's just say that I have never witnessed a guy being "shamed" into upgrading before or since. He completed upgrade training and then busted his check two months later. He wasn't allowed to finish his crew tour- left a little early... with SAC's fist-print on his a$$.
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Re: AAFM Reunion at Great Falls.

Postby TerrorOfTucson on Thu Nov 01, 2012 4:34 pm

I always thought poorly of that dual-qualified idea. Never thought what it might do to career progression, clogging up DOT and DOV except for those timing out and moving on, or the exceptional busted check or screw-up on alert.

Never impressed with Col. Wallace, though Capt. Dick Duncan seemed to be. Both came to 15AF about '83.

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Re: AAFM Reunion at Great Falls.

Postby rkfoos on Thu Nov 01, 2012 9:05 pm

Bad Sam -

Do I know you? Not many know the tales of Roy G. Wallace. Not sure dual qualified was his idea or not (I think not since I don't think he could come up with that), but it was a different model and it worked for us at the time. Of course my view is biased since I never lived, just heard, the other way.
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Re: AAFM Reunion at Great Falls.

Postby TerrorOfTucson on Thu Nov 01, 2012 10:07 pm

I was chief of 15th's missile stan/eval section late '80-'84, so we must have run across each other. Dick Duncan replaced Mike McNiff (90th) when he went off to GLCM.

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Re: AAFM Reunion at Great Falls.

Postby Capt. Bill on Fri Nov 02, 2012 11:09 pm

My days in Minuteman I in the early 70s we averaged 8 alerts a month so it would not be uncommon for someone on a line crew to get 300 alerts in a 4 year tour.
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