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Popular Mechanics - Glory Trip

Postby bedbug on Wed Mar 05, 2014 3:28 am

I read the report and have several questions.

1 They say it the most powerful weapon ever created? I thought T-II had that distinction attached to it with it 10 meg nuke.

2 I assume when they talk about the age they are talking about MM-I, MM-II, and MM-III?

3. Is the MM-III LCC under ground at Vandy, they talked about hearing the rumble? I launched 2 T-IIs and at 250 ft. from the missile heard and felt nothing.

4. One of the officers had been in missiles 3 years. What is the usual time spent in the missile field before moving on? I was a first term airman on crew and got out. enlisted usually request new assignment as part of reenlisting. How long is an Officers required to stay before requesting transfer.
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Re: Popular Mechanics - Glory Trip

Postby TerrorOfTucson on Wed Mar 05, 2014 5:04 pm

1--I didn't see that statement. TII was clearly much bigger, but I think the Russki SS-18 may have been the biggest/most powerful. I trust I will be corrected if I am wrong.

2--Actually, the MMI was installed about the same time as Titan, so it would only be 60 years, not 70, for MM as a whole. MMIII came in in the early '70s.

3--On page 2, PM says they're in a capsule 70' underground, so they couldn't feel any rumble if that were so. There's no need for the LCC to be underground there, and I'm pretty sure they're topside. We have GTers on the forum; I expect they'll comment.

4--I didn't see the 3-years-in-missiles bit, but crew duty is usually 4 years, so not unlikely.
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Re: Popular Mechanics - Glory Trip

Postby Capt. Bill on Wed Mar 05, 2014 7:05 pm

TerrorOfTucson wrote:1--I didn't see that statement. TII was clearly much bigger, but I think the Russki SS-18 may have been the biggest/most powerful. I trust I will be corrected if I am wrong.

2--Actually, the MMI was installed about the same time as Titan, so it would only be 60 years, not 70, for MM as a whole. MMIII came in in the early '70s.

3--On page 2, PM says they're in a capsule 70' underground, so they couldn't feel any rumble if that were so. There's no need for the LCC to be underground there, and I'm pretty sure they're topside. We have GTers on the forum; I expect they'll comment.

4--I didn't see the 3-years-in-missiles bit, but crew duty is usually 4 years, so not unlikely.


At Minot Hotel flight went down for the MOD and MM III in Jan 1970 and came back up in June 1970. Four years was a normal missile tour in the early 1970s.

I was on MM III GT 7,8 and 9 in Nov 1971. The LCC we used was underground but don't think it was 70 feet, probably more like 30 or 40 at the most. I was on all three launches and don't remember feeling anything when they launched. VAFB did have some LCCs that were above ground and crews could run out and see the missile launch. While there is no need for an LCC to be underground at VAFB, trust me they had them.
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Re: Popular Mechanics - Glory Trip

Postby Capt. Bill on Wed Mar 05, 2014 9:13 pm

As to Titan II being the most powerful weapon.

The Department of Defense predicted that a Titan II missile could eventually carry a warhead with a 35 megaton yield, based on projected improvements. However, that warhead was never developed or deployed. This would have made this warhead one of the most powerful ever, and in terms of power-to-weight ratio, advantageous over the B-41 nuclear bomb by almost double.

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Re: Popular Mechanics - Glory Trip

Postby Capt. Bill on Thu Mar 06, 2014 7:36 pm

Apparently VAFB now has just two LCCs both above ground, LCC-01A&B. In the early 1970s they would have needed an LCC for MM I and MM MOD and I assume a Deuce LCC also.
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Re: Popular Mechanics - Glory Trip

Postby D Preidis on Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:10 pm

Capt. Bill wrote:Apparently VAFB now has just two LCCs both above ground, LCC-01A&B. In the early 1970s they would have needed an LCC for MM I and MM MOD and I assume a Deuce LCC also.

Deuce had two LCC's out at Vandyland, Delta-0 and Echo-0 and both were underground. My Glory Trip was launched from Delta-0.
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Re: Popular Mechanics - Glory Trip

Postby TerrorOfTucson on Tue Mar 18, 2014 5:43 pm

Were both the MMIII and Deuce capsules as deep as operational ones, or essentially just below ground?
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Re: Popular Mechanics - Glory Trip

Postby D Preidis on Tue Mar 18, 2014 5:58 pm

TerrorOfTucson wrote:Were both the MMIII and Deuce capsules as deep as operational ones, or essentially just below ground?

I never went out to see E-0 but D-0 was at the same depth as the operational capsules. I am pretty sure E-0 was also built to the same specs.
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Re: Popular Mechanics - Glory Trip

Postby Capt. Bill on Wed Mar 19, 2014 4:40 am

TerrorOfTucson wrote:Were both the MMIII and Deuce capsules as deep as operational ones, or essentially just below ground?


OK this is thinking back 43 years but I think we used C-0 for our MM III launch, I just remember it was up against a hill. From what I remember the elevator ride was comparable to the LCFs at Minot which varied from around 40 to 70 feet deep. I am sure it was at least 30 and maybe 40 feet deep. I don't know if it was a dedicated LCC for MM III or if it could be used for MM MOD also since I don't believe the LCC set up was much if any different for MM III and MM MOD.

I am sure there was some reason they went to the expense and trouble of building an underground LCC. There was no underground LCEB building or tunnel junction, the elevator came right into the LCC.
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Re: Popular Mechanics - Glory Trip

Postby Capt. Bill on Wed Mar 19, 2014 4:58 pm

I am testing my memory but I don't believe the underground LCC we used even had an acoustical enclosure or shock isolators. I don't remember a blast door either. There was an on site FM but no security.
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Re: Popular Mechanics - Glory Trip

Postby D Preidis on Wed Mar 19, 2014 5:13 pm

Capt. Bill wrote:I am testing my memory but I don't believe the underground LCC we used even had an acoustical enclosure or shock isolators. I don't remember a blast door either. There was an on site FM but no security.

D-0 had a small building topside that enclosed the elevator and had a small area with a desk for a security troop. During one of our shifts I had to go topside (no Two Officer or Two-Man policy out there) for some reason and I scared the young Airman cop. It seems he was told to go out there and sit for the night but his supervisor never told him we were there. He did not even know that there was a launch Control Center downstairs.

The Duece LCC's were designed just like the operational sites, including blast doors, but the floor was jacked up so the shock isolators were not being used.
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Re: Popular Mechanics - Glory Trip

Postby Capt. Bill on Wed Mar 19, 2014 5:35 pm

Going on alert at VAFB was like at a real site, You got there and went straight down which is why my memory of topside is fuzzy. The FM may not have even been there full time, just to bring down meals. We never went topside the whole time I was there. I wonder what ever happened to those underground LCCs
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Re: Popular Mechanics - Glory Trip

Postby Capt. Bill on Sun Apr 06, 2014 4:19 pm

Someone on Facebook said they were built underground for testing purposes
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Re: Popular Mechanics - Glory Trip

Postby hockey85 on Fri Apr 11, 2014 12:22 am

The blast door serial number of 01A, one of the underground LCCs at Vandyland where i did my FOTE shot in 2009, was 0016. The serial numbers of all the blast doors at Wing 1 A-side LCCs were 0001 thru 0015, which leads me to believe it finished construction after all the Malmstrom sites. I could never confirm that though.

Other than topside being different and some test unique equipment in place where the bed mod was located back at Malmstrom, the capsule and tunnel junction at 01A were identical to Wing 1 configured capsules, specifically ACP/SCP configured capsules. 01B was co-located with 01A, but was all topside and not used anymore.
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