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Re: el forko grande

Postby SAC Killer on Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:51 pm

You flatbedded the A-16s out? At 321 we drove them out. The wing required an NCO in the cab to supervise the drive. I remember pulling the NCOIC in the parts cage out for that once when we were low on people. He was an E-6 with a 'tude, close to retirement, and a pain to work with. He whined about hemorrhoids and the bumpy ride. I asked him if he had a profile change for hemorrhoids that that was that, off he went with the crane. A long ride, I don't think we let them go much above 45 mph.

You had to have a tough side sometimes in maintenance. Which leads to one of the informal badges of honor...getting mentioned on the walls in the rest room. Every now and again, one of the officers or NCOs would come out of the restroom with a pronounced strut. "I made the men's room wall today." I don't know if the troops ever knew what a proud moment that was...

Another reference to the old blockhouse at El Forko Grande. One year it needed to have a major component in the air conditioner replaced, which meant shutting it down for a long time. I seem to recall it being down for a couple of weeks. I give Base CE credit, they tried to schedule this for the winter. But the component came in late, and we ended up doing it in high summer. That building was hot! No windows, no way to air it out. On the second floor we had a computer room for the maintenance data system. It had raised floor and independent cooling. That room got so popular the DCM had to issue an edict to people to stay out unless they were on official business. Which didn't stop him from taking breaks there, of course!
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Re: el forko grande

Postby J Davis on Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:52 am

Hockey85

If I remember correctly, the test was done at LF M-26. The LER ceiling around the tube was "different" than normal. I remember first seening that video at Chanute in 1985.
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Re: el forko grande

Postby J Davis on Sun Jul 06, 2008 7:17 am

The Warren Cranes were pieces of crap. Top speed was 45mph if you were lucky.

When we were about to start decommissioning sites, and removing the brine chillers, DEUs, batteries, b-plugs, EMLAs, etc, we were lucky enough to obain a leased National Crane mounted on a Freightliner chassis. This crane worked out great.

One EMT instructor was trainin B-Plug R&R on the TLF, using a Warren Crane. At the same time, an MMT class was inside a PT Container positioned over the launcher closure. You guessed it...one of the rear out-riggers failed on the crane while the b-plug was suspended clear of the PAH. The crane tipped over, with the boom crushing the cab of the PT Tractor. Darn luck it hit the cab instead of the container.

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Re: el forko grande

Postby hockey85 on Sun Jul 06, 2008 5:30 pm

J Davis wrote:Hockey85

If I remember correctly, the test was done at LF M-26. The LER ceiling around the tube was "different" than normal. I remember first seening that video at Chanute in 1985.


J Davis,
How was the ceiling different? Was it built differently, or was it damaged during the test and had to be rebuilt? Also, which LF wasthe TLF at Grand Forks?

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Re: el forko grande

Postby J Davis on Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:35 pm

Cory,

The off-base TLF(s) during my time (Jan 86-Jul 00) was I-34, G-18, and G-17. We went to the designated TLF for training on Pen and Backout. Once the students became Pen/Bo qualified, we trained on specific AFSC tasks. For EMT, we dispatched for "real-world" security system faults, tape load/start ups, and what ever we could to present actual situations. The "Iron Maiden" was kept at the on-base TLF except during EWO/GEN exercises, when the off-base TLF was brought up to simulated or TAT alert.

For LCC mnx training, seemed like we were always at G-0, and sometimes at K-0. Crew dogs were never too happy when we showed up, the DMCC lost his/her sleep time.

The LER ceiling of the HEST site was taller, maybe a foot or so--almost as if the LT had been lowered in reference to the LERs. I do not recall if there was any alignment difference with the diving board and the 1st LER floor, or any other such differences to speak of. Also, never went in the tube on that site, so I don't know if there was any anomolies in there.

When we pulled all of the batteries and MG out of C-0, the LCC floor had a pretty good slope to it. BCE hadn't brought out the shoring for underneath yet, and we were not about to wait. Also, we removed both consoles there--for a museum some place. REACT was already being installed at 1X, so they didn't need the parts.

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Re: el forko grande

Postby hockey85 on Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:14 pm

Joe,

Thanks for the info!

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Re: el forko grande

Postby Cancellier on Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:46 am

That is weird. We always had K-06 down from what I remember. Our times overlap, too. I was there from 93-97. K-06 usually had the bombs off but the AVE on.
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Re: el forko grande

Postby jhnbollinger on Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:17 am

The BCE would have a cow if we ever tied up a flat bed just to haul a crane......We would have been decertified on the spot. Thanks John
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Re: el forko grande

Postby J Davis on Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:00 am

Cancellier wrote:That is weird. We always had K-06 down from what I remember. Our times overlap, too. I was there from 93-97. K-06 usually had the bombs off but the AVE on.



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My memory may have faded, however, I don't recall K-06 as the off-base TLF. My second "tour" as an EMT Instructor was 95-97, and it seemed we went to G-17 and G-19 quite a bit. I may be wrong....

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Re: el forko grande

Postby SAC Killer on Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:58 am

I don't recall which 321SMW LCC it was, but one of them had a severe ground water problem. One day I had to escort a bunch of brass, Base CE/CC, DCM, etc., etc. out to look at it. We donned our hard hats and crawled down into the fishbowl. The capsule liner had bowed in a couple feet from water pressure. Earlier base CE had pumped grout into the leak and sealed it off with a plug in the capsule liner.

So the CE/CC took a big screwdriver and poked at the plug. It suddenly blew out! Wet grout came shooting out under pressure and we all scurried to get away from it, because it's hazardous. Once it was gone, water came out like a geyser. For several seconds it came out, blasting the battery cases above. Once it subsided the water just flowed out and down to the sump. Quite a flow.

As far as I know they never did fix that one. Other sites I saw had some seepage, but no other site came close to the river that was flowing through that LCC.
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Re: el forko grande

Postby Sky Knight on Sun Jul 13, 2008 4:15 am

In the early 80’s the TLF switchd between K-06 and one the sites in Golf flight (can’t remember which one). The TLF was generated to alert status during the ORI and the other site brought down.

J Davis wrote:For LCC mnx training, seemed like we were always at G-0, and sometimes at K-0. Crew dogs were never too happy when we showed up, the DMCC lost his/her sleep time.


For me and my crew partner, it was never the loss of sleep time; it was ever present danger of the maintenance team taking the equipment apart and finding the needed part was on-base or with another team on the far side of the missile field.

On my crews we were both of up until 4 PM. The nap time was until dinner was brought down. The deputy's sleep shift was until 10 PM, then commander got his eight hours. The deputy got a second nap time until the cook brought down breakfast - usually about 8:30. We both got about 8 hours - The deputy's was spread out over the alert.

This was the schedule that my first commander had me on and seemed to make sense.

The only time we maxed out sleep time was at a shut down site. Twelve hours in a tomb where the only noise was the ticking of the clock.
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Re: el forko grande

Postby D Preidis on Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:01 pm

Sky Knight wrote:On my crews we were both of up until 4 PM. The nap time was until dinner was brought down. The deputy's sleep shift was until 10 PM, then commander got his eight hours. The deputy got a second nap time until the cook brought down breakfast - usually about 8:30. We both got about 8 hours - The deputy's was spread out over the alert.

I guess I coddled my deputy (we were an adjunct to the Instructor shop as we were also MPT operators so we remained a crew for 18 months).

Anyway, I would get a nap after lunch if there was time and sleep until dinner, then after that my deputy could do whatever he wanted until 3 AM. Even then I would usually stay awake later than 3 AM and my dep would wake on his own and I would nap until just before changeover. It kept my dep happy and rested and I was rarely tired after alert.
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Re: el forko grande

Postby PASMAN II on Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:51 pm

D Preidis wrote:Anyway, I would get a nap after lunch if there was time and sleep until dinner, then after that my deputy could do whatever he wanted until 3 AM. Even then I would usually stay awake later than 3 AM and my dep would wake on his own and I would nap until just before changeover. It kept my dep happy and rested and I was rarely tired after alert.


We got out to site (Alfa) usually between Noon and 3pm (depending upon road, weather conditions, etc.). After changeover, we did the usual inspections, checks, tests, etc. Then we ordered lunch. If nothing else was happening, I usually tried to get some rest after lunch (~2+ hours). Dinner sometime between 1800-2000. Gave my Deputy rest from 2000-0300. I then hit the rack from about 0300-0600. Started our great SAC second alert day with a hot foil-pak breakfast. Yum-yum! RTB around 1600-1800. Supposed next day-off (0800-1700) was spent doing ws/ewo/codes training, mpt ride, squadron duty, deputy US Marshal for escort BS, etc. The next day? Back out on alert!
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Re: el forko grande

Postby Tommy33 on Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:52 pm

J Davis wrote:The Warren Cranes were pieces of crap. Top speed was 45mph if you were lucky.

When we were about to start decommissioning sites, and removing the brine chillers, DEUs, batteries, b-plugs, EMLAs, etc, we were lucky enough to obain a leased National Crane mounted on a Freightliner chassis. This crane worked out great.

One EMT instructor was trainin B-Plug R&R on the TLF, using a Warren Crane. At the same time, an MMT class was inside a PT Container positioned over the launcher closure. You guessed it...one of the rear out-riggers failed on the crane while the b-plug was suspended clear of the PAH. The crane tipped over, with the boom crushing the cab of the PT Tractor. Darn luck it hit the cab instead of the container.

Lesson for the MMT'ers from EMT..."We have a B-Plug and we know how to use it!"



That just happens to be now a Retired SMSGT (2 months ago) if anyone remembers him. I worked for him twice in my career so far after he came here to Malmstrom.

In TTB we were not allowed to have a crane and PT on site at the same time, he explained why and the picture of the incident is pretty powerful. That guy had some stories.
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Re: el forko grande

Postby J Davis on Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:59 am

Was that an MMT'er in the container or an EMT'er?
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