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Dash 1

Postby silo warrior on Mon Dec 28, 2009 9:35 pm

Wonder what became of all the -1s for TtianII when the system was closed out ? Were they all destroyed ? Have seen some pages from earlier ones posted on various web sites. Would love to have a copy from around the 1982 era. If anybody knows where I could download a copy from that era please let me know.

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Re: Dash 1

Postby jimmymac on Mon Dec 28, 2009 9:54 pm

The Association of Air Force Missileers (http://www.afmissileers.com) has a copy of the dash 1 on CD that they will send you for a $10 donation.

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Re: Dash 1

Postby njh621 on Tue Dec 29, 2009 12:20 am

I posted two copies in PDF form on the museum's Box.net account we use for Facebook. One is from 1969 updated through 1975, and I think the one you want is dated 1976 updated through 1986. You can download them from here:

Dated 1969:
http://www.box.net/shared/578jn0qv06
Dated 1976:
http://www.box.net/shared/0pxv7fhtqx
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Re: Dash 1

Postby silo warrior on Tue Dec 29, 2009 1:21 am

Thanks for the info Nick. The last version was the one I was lookng for. I had made a post a while back about checking the winds prior to launch and others said they had not heard of that. The caution prior to step one says not to launch when atmospheric conditions exceed -1-2 limits. I know they are talking about wind speed.The -1-2 was the classified part of the -1. I thought maybe I had been mistaken . I remember we were trained with the reciept of valid launch message that the BMAT should complete step one of the launch checklist. During check rides if you did not not look up over the cab at the wind speed indicator and say the winds are good you would be given an error. Thanks again.

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Re: Dash 1

Postby jimmymac on Tue Dec 29, 2009 1:58 am

The years have stolen my memory, but wasn't it the 2-11 that covered launch, checkout, and guidance? Does anyone know where there is a copy of the 2-11?

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Re: Dash 1

Postby njh621 on Tue Dec 29, 2009 3:00 am

Correct, TO 2-11 covered launch control and monitoring. As another McConnellite BMAT put it the 2-11 was the "BMAT's guide to Titan II". The missile museum for sure has a copy; I flipped through it, but I don't remember if it dealt with guidance as I only looked at it briefly. It's not in digital form, but they're working on getting more content digitized. In the meantime, I can try to find the few diagrams I copied when I was there in June.
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Re: Dash 1

Postby silo warrior on Tue Dec 29, 2009 3:53 pm

jimmymac wrote:The years have stolen my memory, but wasn't it the 2-11 that covered launch, checkout, and guidance? Does anyone know where there is a copy of the 2-11?

Jim


Being a RIVET HAWK crew member I think the guidance was in TO 2-41 and 2-42 if I remember right been lot of years and a lot of numbers to try and remember.

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Re: Dash 1

Postby dennis rowley on Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:29 pm

i'm lucky enough to have a complete dash-1. well, some of the pages are loose enough, i would certainly have some standboard hits! when they reached a certain number of changes (remember penciling that stuff in???), sac basically said "here's a new one" and we got to keep the old, although i'm pretty sure that most folks tossed theirs. i have it in my office at work. ha - one of our doc's is from russia and i showed it to her.
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Re: Dash 1

Postby dennis rowley on Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:18 pm

wow - there was certainly no wind speed restriction back in the mid to late 70's when i was at mcconnell. i still have my intact dash-1, and i will get it out and look at it, but i'm darned sure i would have remembered that one. my most vivid "not looking at the panels and winding up with a major error" was not seeing a regeneration in progress light on (oops, i think...)
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Re: Dash 1

Postby Mspiege23 on Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:43 pm

The wind speed restriction was in the classified -1. I was involved with the -1 rewrite in the mid-70s. Besides trying to incorporate all the changes, the intent was to also make the -1 more user-friendly. For example, the new -1 listed out the ready and not-ready end items. The feeling at the time was that crews shouldn't have to second-guess whether the bird was on-alert or not because of a malfunction. The stakes were too high. At first SMES balked at coming up with such a list. I don't think they wanted to be put on the spot for coming up with this information. They eventually gave in and the rest is history. I too still have my old copy of the -1. I take it out every once in a while and reminisce.
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Re: Dash 1

Postby HJJ on Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:34 pm

Does anyone know if the T.O. 2-11 exists in PDF form?
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Re: Dash 1

Postby njh621 on Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:54 am

It exists in paper form at the museum in the archives, but hasn't been digitized. The problem with scanning entire TOs/CEMs are the fold-out diagrams; they require a large format scanner. The museum doesn't have one, and they're fairly expensive, so that has prevented us from scanning TOs en masse.
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Re: Dash 1

Postby Scruge on Mon Mar 04, 2013 9:44 pm

njh621 wrote:It exists in paper form at the museum in the archives, but hasn't been digitized. The problem with scanning entire TOs/CEMs are the fold-out diagrams; they require a large format scanner. The museum doesn't have one, and they're fairly expensive, so that has prevented us from scanning TOs en masse.


How large do you need? You can get a Mustek a3 scanner for less than $200. You'd be amazed at what you can do with a 10 megapix camera on a copy stand, then convert to b/w and cropping to size. You might even check with kinkos to see what they would charge.
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Re: Dash 1

Postby njh621 on Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:38 pm

The fold-outs in the CEMs and TOs are all 11" in width, but each page varies in length. If money wasn't an issue I would just get a blueprint scanner and something like a Xerox Documate; the Documate can handle 80% of the TO content, and the blueprint scanner can handle the fold-outs and blueprints we have. We have so many TOs it would probably be easier (and safer for the documents) to do it in-house.
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Re: Dash 1

Postby bedbug on Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:28 pm

So Nick:

How much is the cost. I will donate to help purchase it Knowing I would get some TO out of the deal.
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