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PK "Hot Cans"

Postby Tim on Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:42 pm

While at DO9 at Grand Forks, Branch OIC Operations, I was responsible for setting up the temporary storage for those PK MGSs that had failed out in the field and were being shipped back to Newark, Ohio to have all code data erased. Somehow the PK "cans" were treated as TOP Secret regardless of how they had failed out in the field. In Minuteman a failed MGS could be treated as either Secret or Top Secret depending on the data still contained in it's memory. Most MGS codes were readily erased by EMT and the corresponding P-Plug brought back to the vault by MMT so the security classification of the MGS was a mute point. Anyhow, we stored the PK MGSs in our WSA until the next scheduled flight out to Newark.

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Re: PK "Hot Cans"

Postby castlebravo on Tue Sep 29, 2009 3:08 am

So the PK cans from the 400th were shipped to GF for storage, before going to OH. Seems an odd way to do it. I'm not coming right out and calling BS, but I'm close. :D
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Re: PK "Hot Cans"

Postby J Davis on Wed Sep 30, 2009 5:26 am

This was over the time period that the runway at FE Warren was being resurfaced. It took a long time because the runway is an old SAC runway, used by bombers and tankers. The 90BW is now inactivated at FE.

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Re: PK "Hot Cans"

Postby wally on Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:01 am

Since when did FE Warren have a runway?
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Re: PK "Hot Cans"

Postby Master Technician on Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:41 am

Well, it's very short at only 30'. :lol:
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Re: PK "Hot Cans"

Postby castlebravo on Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:09 am

J Davis wrote:This was over the time period that the runway at FE Warren was being resurfaced. It took a long time because the runway is an old SAC runway, used by bombers and tankers. The 90BW is now inactivated at FE.

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Ha ha, KCYS is about three miles away. If the cans can be transported upto 60 miles away (as the crow flies) to FEW it can certainly be transported to an airport 3 miles away with a 9270' rwy. If that rwy was OTS there is a 6690' rwy available. A C-130 with a heavy load could use it easily.
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Re: PK "Hot Cans"

Postby castlebravo on Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:10 am

wally wrote:Since when did FE Warren have a runway?


There ya go.
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Re: PK "Hot Cans"

Postby J Davis on Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:01 am

FE has had a runway ever since I provided Castlebravo something to call BS on.
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Re: PK "Hot Cans"

Postby castlebravo on Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:42 am

J Davis wrote:FE has had a runway ever since I provided Castlebravo something to call BS on.


I guess I'm not the only one to call BS. But thank you for thinking of me J Davis! kisses.
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Re: PK "Hot Cans"

Postby Tim on Tue Dec 08, 2009 3:06 am

Well, I really don't know about FE Warren's runway status. For all that I know only a "squadron" of crop dusters could have flown from there. However, I did set up the capability to store PK cans in the Forks WSA. They were flown into the Forks. Hell, I even had some of my guys provide control on the flights to Ohio accompanying some of our MM III cans to boot. It is possible that PK cans never arrived from FEW and I sent my guys on a free trip to Ohio. :shock:

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PS: PK cans had to get to Ohio by some means.....back of a U-Haul heading across I-80???
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Re: PK "Hot Cans"

Postby MJohnson on Sat Dec 12, 2009 4:22 am

The way I remember it, All cans, both MM & PK were shipped "LOGAIR which was a contracted fight certified to carry to classified cans. The only time we had to provide curriers was when they were "Hot" or coded with out over-write. When we had a few hot cans to ship, we would have to provide PK cert'ed code curriers to ride with the cans all the way to Newark. The planes landed at the Guard side of the Cheyenne air port. We usually had three guys go so during stops at other bases to pick up their MM cans, they could take turns getting off the plane to use the restroom and such. The reason MM didn't do normally need currier was that when they had a hot can, they removed the D37 computer and stored it in D09/codes vault till they had a large number of them on the shelf and then once a year or so one of the bases made a LOGAIR trip to all the missile bases and curried all of them. Later in PK they had a software upgrade that eliminated the possibility of a hot can and currier trips became far and few. They also don't have LOGAIR flights anymore and move the cans all by contract trucking. MM also has local procedures for over-writing the computers in the vault if one is removed in the field still coded.
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Re: PK "Hot Cans"

Postby Tim on Mon Dec 14, 2009 9:36 am

Mjohnson,

You're right about the LOGAIR flights. Evergreen Air and Zantop, were some of the contracted air courriers. And you answered the question about how FEW sent MGSs my way to Grand Forks. Thanks for clearing it up.

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Re: PK "Hot Cans"

Postby njh621 on Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:22 pm

Tim wrote:It is possible that PK cans never arrived from FEW and I sent my guys on a free trip to Ohio. :shock:

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Not much to do here, especially around Dayton, so they probably got right back on a plane to ND. Unless they went on a 5 hr drive to Cedar Point! :lol:
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Re: PK "Hot Cans"

Postby Scruge on Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:35 pm

@ nick
Just noticed where you're from..

Are you old enough to know a company there, once named "Standard Screw" ?
I think they've changed to something else now.
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Re: PK "Hot Cans"

Postby njh621 on Wed Dec 16, 2009 5:57 am

Hm...it doesn't ring a bell. I guess I should clarify I'm not from the Dayton area, I'm closer to Cleveland, so about 4.5 hrs north (in a city called Elyria). Rigid tool has a pretty big factory in town though (surprised they haven't left!).
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