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Re: Silly Question - Counting Alerts

Postby FL Transplant on Tue Apr 14, 2015 1:01 am

My Dad enlisted un the USAF shortly after it separated from the Army. He kept a footlocker of all of the uniforms that cycled in/out of his time until he retired in 1970. Everything from one-piece fatigues (styled much like a flight suit), Ike jackets, 1505s w/shorts (which he wore in one assignment), dark blue long-sleeve shirts, etc through to all of the Vietnam-era uniform combinations. It looked to me as if McPeak-style uniform purges were an annual event in the USAF’s early history.

I was in a unit testing the short-sleeve blue shirts with epilauts (what’s worn today) before they were approved for universal wear (prior short-sleeve blue shirt had metal rank on the collars). They were approved for everybody shortly before I showed up at Vandenberg, so I was able to keep wearing the test articles I’d been given. For a few months I was the only person on base with them and had people actually offering to buy the shirt off of my back.
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Re: Silly Question - Counting Alerts

Postby TerrorOfTucson on Tue Apr 14, 2015 4:14 am

I really liked the long-sleeve blue shirt. I wore it until I retired at the end of '86.
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Re: Silly Question - Counting Alerts

Postby keskiyo on Fri May 01, 2015 12:51 am

Fun fact: alert time is now tracked centrally by 1C0X2's in the same system used to track aircrew missions, and shows up on your SURF as "flying hours" in the LGM030G.
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Re: Silly Question - Counting Alerts

Postby MajorG1000 on Sun May 10, 2015 3:31 pm

"...and me, I'm flying in my Taxi..."
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Re: Silly Question - Counting Alerts

Postby FL Transplant on Tue May 12, 2015 7:48 pm

Harry Chapin attended the USAF Academy in the early 60s, but it wasn’t the place for him. (After he left he did get a hack license, but he never drove a cab.)

In the late 70s one of his stops during a concert tour was at the Academy. During his performance he noted his previous experience with the place, and told how when he was leaving he was counseled that doing so would be a big mistake and if he left he’d be a failure and never amount to anything. He then noted how the year before he’d had to pay several hundred thousand dollars in federal income taxes alone based off his earnings for the year.
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Re: Silly Question - Counting Alerts

Postby Batman on Wed May 13, 2015 5:23 pm

keskiyo wrote:Fun fact: alert time is now tracked centrally by 1C0X2's in the same system used to track aircrew missions, and shows up on your SURF as "flying hours" in the LGM030G.


One way or round trip?
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Re: Silly Question - Counting Alerts

Postby MajorG1000 on Wed May 13, 2015 10:47 pm

I am guessing "One Way" as no Missile Crew Member has logged more than .5 hours.
Does anyone know where they have placed the Hobbs Meter? Was that part of "Rivet Timeclock"?
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Re: Silly Question - Counting Alerts

Postby keskiyo on Wed Jun 03, 2015 12:58 am

It's kind of funny because the system was designed for aircrew, so all the terminology within it is aircrew-specific, but you still know what everything means.

Some examples:

If you go on alert to J01 at Minot, you'd log one "mission" in "tail number" 741MSJ01, in the LGM030G "airframe." You'd receive credit for 24 "flying" (alert) hours, in either the "pilot" or "copilot" role, and 8 "other" hours (the amount AFGSC decided on to account for mission planning, pre-departure, training, and drive time.)

If OGV goes out to do a field eval, they do the same, except they log (usually fractional) "evaluation hours" instead of 24 "alert hours."

For each of your monthly trainer rides, you log a "mission" in "tail number" MPT-A or MPT-B, in the SLGM020G (simulator) "airframe" for two "flying" hours, again in either the "pilot" or "copilot" role. The instructor logs two hours of instruction time.

Basically, the exact same way aircrew members do it. (I might be a little fuzzy on the details, I've been out of missiles for a few months, and I can't pull up ARMS to see my "mission data.")

Another neat thing is that crewmembers now get to log tasks accomplished on alert for credit towards currency/proficiency requirements. The way it used to be, every task was required to be trained at least once a year (some more than once - gotta love being re-trained on Crew Changeover in the classroom when you were doing it 8 times a month in the real world...) Now, AFGSC says "all crewmembers must accomplish Declare Security Situations 4x a quarter", and if you happen to declare 4x security sits while on alert that quarter, you don't have to do it in the MPT.
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Re: Silly Question - Counting Alerts

Postby Bill in Missouri on Wed Jun 03, 2015 11:46 am

rkfoos wrote:Bob -

And heck, every once in a while you got the distinct pleasure to ride out to alert in an antiquated helicopter

I must say the 5 winters I spent at Minot were some of the best years in my AF career; I met a lot of good folk and it has been good to reconnect with a few of them here on the Forums.


We were the first crew in the 44th SMW to accept a flight (Delta) from Boeing in early July 1963. Delta 1 and Delta 9 are still there and run by the National Park Service as the Minuteman Historical Site. As I understand it, they have just built a nice new visitors center at an I-90 off ramp and have long offered tours of the LCF and LCC.

But I am actually laughing about your helicopter reference. The thought comes to mind "You may not want what you wish for" when it comes to helicopter rides. Back then we had the fleet of old H-19s and when it got hot in the summer, the H-19 was very reluctant to lift off the ground. One of the crews at Delta 1 was being relieved by chopper in late July of 1963 and it was a VERY hot day. The chopper made a decent effort to get off and actually did get up several feet before it had to sit down again about 50 yards away. Unfortunately, that 50 yards brought them dead center over the sewage lagoon and that's where they landed. Now for the good part. Since the site was so new, the sewage lagoon had not yet filled even enough to cover the bottom and, luckily, the bird missed the poo and sat down in a dry patch - whew!

I hope to get back to tour Delta 1 in the next year or two. I offered the NPS my original copy of the Dash One tech order but they were not interested because it was for a LGM30B (MM1) system and they were insistent that everything be related to the LGM30F (MMII) system. So the TO went to the museum at Ellsworth.

Lots of stories from those days and I am happy to see a forum to share some of them but not many of the real old timers still around.
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Re: Silly Question - Counting Alerts

Postby Batman on Wed Jun 03, 2015 2:46 pm

God story Bill! It brought to mind the times when chopper pilots fresh from Nam would play "Goose the Antelope" on parts runs when I was in Maintenance. Anyone know if the Huey tail rotor is still over the O Club bar at Ellsworth?
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Re: Silly Question - Counting Alerts

Postby TerrorOfTucson on Wed Jun 03, 2015 6:03 pm

I had a chopper ride out to one of the Titan sites, during which the pilot told us he was being PCSed to a B-52 wing. Complained there were no similarities. I got to tell him he was wrong--both took off nose-down.
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Re: Silly Question - Counting Alerts

Postby Bill in Missouri on Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:02 am

Batman wrote:God story Bill! It brought to mind the times when chopper pilots fresh from Nam would play "Goose the Antelope" on parts runs when I was in Maintenance. Anyone know if the Huey tail rotor is still over the O Club bar at Ellsworth?


Oh we made several antelope chases in that old H-19 but the antelope was usually faster. Twice we landed in the middle of nowhere because of a "Chips Detector Light" meaning something was grinding up and getting into the oil. Since we were nowhere near a road they had to send another H-19 to fetch us - oh for joy.

Notice you were in 44MIMS CTT in 69-71. I had returned to Ellsworth (by choice) in 71 from an Ops tour at 15AF (March AFB) and made my debut in maintenance. Was OIC of VECB, then P&S but things changed in 72 when the big flood hit Rapid City. The OIC of Job Control died in that flood and I was the lucky one to take his job. But SAC figured Ellsworth was too warm for me so in 73 they gave me a no-notice PCS to Grand Forks and I figured life was over. Boy was I wrong. Spent the next 30 years in the Grand Forks area before moving to a warmer clime but we still have kids and grandkids in the north country and even hope to move back to at least as far north as South Dakota when life allows.
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Re: Silly Question - Counting Alerts

Postby Batman on Fri Jun 05, 2015 2:26 pm

Small world. I enjoyed my time in ND - good people and good times there.
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Re: Silly Question - Counting Alerts

Postby MajorG1000 on Sat Jun 06, 2015 2:28 am

There were three chopper rides out to and back from alert that I remember particularly well. One was where I was sitting behind the Huey pilot who had "Dymo Taped" to the back of his helmet: "In case of rapture, this seat will be empty". I refused to ever fly with him again. The second and third flights were over the span of one alert cycle. I don't remember who my crew partner was, I must have been a deputy; but we were being choppered out to Kilo / Lima with another crew which was a DOV crew pulling a regular alert at the other capsule. The DOV Crew Commander was Dick Baay and the Deputy was Stu Spanier. Stu had a weak stomach when it came to motion sickness. Baay and Spanier were sitting side by side when about ten minutes into the flight Stu leaned over Dick's lap and violently threw up all over Baay. They were dropped off first, and we continued out to our alert.
The next day we were informed that we would be choppered home. We were picked up first and sat side by side. When we picked up Baay and Spanier, Baay looked at the seating and said something like "oh no you don't...and made me (as the junior ranking individual) sit next to Spanier. So, me and my Commander sat across from and facing each other and Spanier and Bay were doing the same. About ten minutes into the flight Stu began to turn green, but instead of puking in my lap he projectile vomited straight ahead...all over Baay...again.

Ah...good times.
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Re: Silly Question - Counting Alerts

Postby TerrorOfTucson on Mon Jun 08, 2015 12:33 am

I take it you were expecting The Rapture to occur in the next 3-4 years, and not expecting to Go with The Flow?
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