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Re: Silly Question - Counting Alerts

Postby bedbug on Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:33 pm

In the beginning the missile program must of had more financing. 63 to 66 We had a pad chief ' YOU KNOW THE JOKER IN THE 570TH PATCH :lol: ' and each sector had a civilian janitor. Came every third day during the week.

When did the sites go to carpeting and sound insulation on the walls? I thought that was the mid 70s.

No one I new counted tours. Most of us getting out counted the last couple months. Their was no sites to pull alerts on early 1963. Usually 1 tour a week for instructor crews. We worked at training new and retraining crews all week then go on alert Friday or Saturday. We put in more hour's than a line crew.

I got back to base about 1 o'clock from my last tour and had 3 hours to process out that afternoon.

A busted check on site meant the crew went back to base and stand board crew had to finish the tour.
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Re: Silly Question - Counting Alerts

Postby TerrorOfTucson on Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:07 pm

LCCs were still vinyl/linoleum and no sound deadeners thru May of '75 when I left. We still had pad chiefs, and I could tell you the name of the female pad chief 2-striper at 0-1 for a while, but her name lends itself to very bad jokes and I will keep it to myself. I don't recall a janitor except at 0-5.
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Re: Silly Question - Counting Alerts

Postby silo warrior on Tue Apr 07, 2015 1:27 am

Best I can remember they tested the carpet and sound attenuation at 1-4. They started placing it in the rest of the sites towards the end of 1979. We still had to clean and buff the kitchen and level 3. They placed carpet and sound attention in the sleeping quarters. We did have a Pad Dad but hardly ever saw them they were bouncing around at a lot of different sites.We never did have a janitor, crews were responsible ,each crew had a certain number of levels in the silo they were responsible for. All crews were responsible for cleaning the Control Center and Blast Lock. We did get a vacuum to clean with. Before the carpet we used to use 409 in a spray bottle spray it on the floor and then use the buffer on it it would take all the black marks from the boots off and it would also shine the floor. We hardly ever stripped and waxed. And contrary to TITAN II lore BMAT does not stand for Brooms Mops and Trash!!!!!


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Re: Silly Question - Counting Alerts

Postby Capt. Bill on Tue Apr 07, 2015 5:58 am

A while ago someone pulling alerts now made the comment they must have the same carpet as when the LCC was built, he was quickly corrected by us old guys. The facilities manager was pretty much a janitor but back in the 1960s and early 1970s they almost always left the tour with another stripe. I never cleaned an LCC floor.

Back in my day there was not even a curtain around the bunk, we made our own by hanging blankets from the cable trays. The did add a curtain in 1970
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Re: Silly Question - Counting Alerts

Postby MajorG1000 on Tue Apr 07, 2015 2:33 pm

You guys had CARPET? The only "Sound Abatement" we had in the Boeing Capsules was the Acoustic Curtain around the bunk, some Asphalt tiles on the wall over the bed, and earplugs. I don't remember anyone coming downstairs to clean the capsule for us, and I am sure there was a lot of "crap" that was just swept over the side and sat under the Accoustical Enclosure for millenia.

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Re: Silly Question - Counting Alerts

Postby rkfoos on Tue Apr 07, 2015 3:20 pm

Bob -

You are right, for the most part the crew dogs back then were a good bunch. Yes, it got old doing the bag drag every third day if you were on line crew, but at least you knew that what you were doing meant something. And heck, every once in a while you got the distinct pleasure to ride out to alert in an antiquated helicopter in the fog with the pilot saying over the headphones "I know there is a radio tower around here somewhere, but I just can't see it".

I must say the 5 winters I spent at Minot were some of the best years in my AF career; I met a lot of good folk and it has been good to reconnect with a few of them here on the Forums.
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Re: Silly Question - Counting Alerts

Postby Capt. Bill on Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:05 pm

I was on crew at Minot 1969 to 1972 during the last years of the Viet Nam war. Most of the people were in the AF to avoid being in the Army. Still everyone took the job seriously and did the best they could in a job they didn't want to be in.
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Re: Silly Question - Counting Alerts

Postby TerrorOfTucson on Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:13 am

I resemble that remark. First in Systems Command, drafted into missiles. Civilian in the office told me he thought I'd actually like it, though maybe not immediately. He was right.
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Re: Silly Question - Counting Alerts

Postby MajorG1000 on Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:39 am

Not to belabor the point, but we did have an important job to do, and the men and women on crew today STILL have an important job to do. Their job just isn't as obvious as ours was, ("going toe to toe with the Rooskies"). I wanted to be a pilot. I still held out hope throughout the first year at Minot the Air Force would see the error of their ways, and send me back to UPT. It took a very strongly worded lecture from none other than Colonel Roy G. Wallace to set me straight. Many may not have liked Colonel Wallace, and I was one of them; but the fact remains that it was he, more than any other senior officer in my formative junior Lieutanant years that set me on the straight and narrow. I owe him that much. It was also Colonel Wallace who demanded excellence out of the crews and Wing Staff. Notice I didn't say "Perfection". I saw a lot of imperfection while on crew, but we achieved much and, just like everyone else's time on crew, my Wing was truly "Excellent".
We are a proud group of men and women, we Missileers, and we can sleep well at night knowing what we did was right, and just and what was (is) needed to keep the world safe. Relatively speaking, of course.
I don't think I could have said the same about a job driving a bus across the Friendly Skies.
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Re: Silly Question - Counting Alerts

Postby Capt. Bill on Wed Apr 08, 2015 4:15 am

TerrorOfTucson wrote:I resemble that remark. First in Systems Command, drafted into missiles. Civilian in the office told me he thought I'd actually like it, though maybe not immediately. He was right.


My second commander had been in Systems Command for 3 years and had planned to get out in 4 years. When he made captain he was pulled as an MCCC and had to stay for 2 more years. We spent a year and half together, got 2 HQs and got a select crew rating as a line crew.
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Re: Silly Question - Counting Alerts

Postby TerrorOfTucson on Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:02 am

Capt. Bill, that was your tan summer uniform post--remember 1505s? One of my MMM classmates said that if nobody bumped into him and made him spill coffee on his 1505s, he'd just do it to himself.
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Re: Silly Question - Counting Alerts

Postby MajorG1000 on Sun Apr 12, 2015 10:40 pm

1505s were gone by the time I was commissioned, along with the Pith Helmet, Bermuda Shorts and knee-high socks. More's the pity.
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Re: Silly Question - Counting Alerts

Postby TerrorOfTucson on Mon Apr 13, 2015 1:07 am

I'm pretty sure the shorts were the Shade 505 all-cotton. The Bush Jacket, shorts, high socks, and pith helmet were gone before I got in (also the silver-tan Class A blouse and pants), as I never saw any. I did see a few of the 505s at some point--I remember noticing the size of the threads. I was issued Class As in shade 1086 in January of '67, and Shade 1505 tan summer unis. The blue pants and shirts were being tested in '70 (saw someone wearing them at Sheppard). I forget when the cotton/poly coat replaced the overcoat and the raincoat; mid-'70s, I think, and the light jacket came in around that time, or a bit later. I know I had them in the latter half of the '70s. (I'd have loved the bush jacket.)
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Re: Silly Question - Counting Alerts

Postby silo warrior on Mon Apr 13, 2015 2:16 am

My favorite uniform combanation was the dark blue long sleeve shirt that you used to have to wear the collar brass Sometime after 1972 they waved the collar brass I don't remember when they made the combanation obsolete. Used to look like a cop when I wore it I believe it was a winter only combanation. We were issued two sets of class A blues one for winter and one for summer. Also were issued the 1505s and the Horse Blanket overcoat. Most guys threw it in the trash once they got to there first base. I don't think I ever saw anyone wear one.

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Re: Silly Question - Counting Alerts

Postby Capt. Bill on Mon Apr 13, 2015 5:57 am

silo warrior wrote:My favorite uniform combanation was the dark blue long sleeve shirt that you used to have to wear the collar brass Sometime after 1972 they waved the collar brass I don't remember when they made the combanation obsolete. Used to look like a cop when I wore it I believe it was a winter only combanation. We were issued two sets of class A blues one for winter and one for summer. Also were issued the 1505s and the Horse Blanket overcoat. Most guys threw it in the trash once they got to there first base. I don't think I ever saw anyone wear one.

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I think we called the dark blue shirt with the class A pants the Class B uniform.
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