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Re: Are You Smarter Than a Nuclear Launch Officer?

Postby PASMAN II on Fri Feb 14, 2014 4:52 pm

Batman wrote:
PASMAN II wrote:On Facebook, I just uploaded a Codes and Weapon System monthly self-study from El-Forko. Not trying to induce PTSD, just FYI! :D


I hope to God you sanitized it first.


I did! I pissed all over them before I uploaded them!

They were UNCLAS so no worries!
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Re: Are You Smarter Than a Nuclear Launch Officer?

Postby MajorG1000 on Fri Feb 14, 2014 5:53 pm

Yet another reason I do not subscribe to Facebook....
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Re: Are You Smarter Than a Nuclear Launch Officer?

Postby Capt. Bill on Fri Feb 14, 2014 7:04 pm

PASMAN II wrote:On Facebook, I just uploaded a Codes and Weapon System monthly self-study from El-Forko. Not trying to induce PTSD, just FYI! :D


Those are tests I don't remember at all from early 1970s
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Re: Are You Smarter Than a Nuclear Launch Officer?

Postby rkfoos on Fri Feb 14, 2014 7:35 pm

When I was in the Instructor shop and in charge of classroom training, it was not my intent to write a test that had "gotchas". I did write a test to reinforce what was taught in the classroom. We had a strong linkage to the T.O., obviously. Did I try to find some of the more obscure things about the weapon system in the T.O.? Sure, but they didn't get the test question out of the blue. The whole point was to get them into the T.O. and for them to learn about thier weapon system. It sounds like that approach may not be what is being done today; too bad.
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Re: Are You Smarter Than a Nuclear Launch Officer?

Postby MajorG1000 on Fri Feb 14, 2014 7:55 pm

That's how I always felt about training...and how I approached training as an instructor. You didn't get extra points for being a hardass, or the instructor/evaluator that everyone hated. Althought I know there were some who thought you did...
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Re: Are You Smarter Than a Nuclear Launch Officer?

Postby MajorG1000 on Sat Feb 15, 2014 6:23 pm

The title of this thread is misleading because if you are not pulling alerts, the answer is: "Yes!".
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Re: Are You Smarter Than a Nuclear Launch Officer?

Postby Batman on Sat Feb 15, 2014 7:13 pm

MajorG1000 wrote:Yet another reason I do not subscribe to Facebook....


I have a "throwaway" account. Never use it.
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Re: Are You Smarter Than a Nuclear Launch Officer?

Postby SAC Killer on Sat Feb 15, 2014 10:58 pm

Once again I'm with MajorG. I never worked training at HHQ but I was an instructor at Wing I. The goal was to produce MCCMs, and MCCs, who were fully combat-ready and able to handle absolutely anything in the field; and, yes, to get them through their next check ride. Beating them up or humiliating them was never the goal. We knew who the weak and strong people, and crews, were, and the better instructors handled them differently in the MPT. We could have a little fun with the former. They enjoyed it and we enjoyed it. With the latter, we were much more careful. The better instructors worked to get the crews to understand WHY they were doing something, not just to do it. The other instructors just told them what to do. The better cab operators understood and went along with us. The others just ran the script.
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Re: Are You Smarter Than a Nuclear Launch Officer?

Postby MajorG1000 on Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:33 pm

Right you are SAC Killer;
As an instructor, our job was to teach for comprehension, not just rote memory. I believe that was true of all the shops because they had to learn and understand this stuff not just for the off chance it could happen in the real world, but for they simple fact that we had absolutely no control on what Stan-Eval, The IG's ORI or the NSI would throw at them...and that's where we as crewmembers really had to prove our mettle. It was the training and our seriousness in our approach to that training that made us SAC's best. Sure, bad stuff could and did happen in the field, and 99.9% of the time we were prepared for it and handled it swiftly and correctly. For EWO, it truely was 100% of the time in the field.
I have no doubt that there are guys and gals out there today who still hold to those same values that we did. As soon as this current problem has been solved in a satisfactory manner, they will be the ones to bring it around.
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Re: Are You Smarter Than a Nuclear Launch Officer?

Postby Capt. Bill on Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:10 am

In the early 1970s the wing received reports from Vandenberg identifying who were the weaker people. At the wing they are crewed with the stronger crew members.
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Re: Are You Smarter Than a Nuclear Launch Officer?

Postby SAC Killer on Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:26 am

Capt. Bill wrote:In the early 1970s the wing received reports from Vandenberg identifying who were the weaker people. At the wing they are crewed with the stronger crew members.


Vice versa, presumably.
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Re: Are You Smarter Than a Nuclear Launch Officer?

Postby MajorG1000 on Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:36 am

Not always.
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Re: Are You Smarter Than a Nuclear Launch Officer?

Postby Capt. Bill on Mon Feb 17, 2014 2:07 am

MajorG1000 wrote:Not always.

I know when I upgraded to commander in 1971, they pulled 6 of us commanders aside and told us "Your deputies barely made it through Vandenberg, we are counting on you to get them through upgrade" I still remember those exact words.
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Re: Are You Smarter Than a Nuclear Launch Officer?

Postby MajorG1000 on Mon Feb 17, 2014 2:57 am

My experience of ten years later leads me to conclude that policy wasn't always carried out. I'm not saying you are wrong, and please pardon me if I came off that way. I think that there were some guys the Squadrons didn't even want to mess with, and it was sink or swim. I DO agree that Vandenberg had a system for identifying "weak sisters" to the Wings they were assigned to, and yes, as a Commander, I was selected to get a few of them through upgrade. I also believe that there were guys who, if when they got to the wing eliminated themselves, it was a problem averted, a problem solved.
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Re: Are You Smarter Than a Nuclear Launch Officer?

Postby FL Transplant on Mon Feb 17, 2014 5:18 am

MajorG1000--how did anyone eliminate themselves? My time at Minot overlapped with yours, and there were a number of notoriously weak crew members. Yet I don’t recall anyone removed, either for poor performance or PRP. There were a few who seemed to constantly be in some type of retraining, but they were also doing their 8 a month. People did find all sorts of ways off of crew--one of the guys in my CDB class suddenly developed food allergies which necessitated his removal because he wasn’t allowed to eat meals prepared at the LCF (!?!?), for instance, but I don’t recall anyone permanently removed from crew because he couldn’t hack the job or for PRP (even though there were a number I thought should have been pulled).
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