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Re: New Book

Postby TerrorOfTucson on Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:04 am

My thought was cooked food smells, hydraulic fluid (CC blast valve pump--did you have a spill? I did, and recognized a sound I'd never heard before, and never heard again), and slightly stale air. Forgot about cig smoke.
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Re: New Book

Postby MajorG1000 on Wed Jan 29, 2014 5:34 pm

Don't forget the smell of fear and the stale smell of sweat. Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring "Sir, There is a Captain Smith and Lieutenant Jones from DOV requesting permission to come downstairs..." Oh, and the oder of a sudden, unexpected bowel release.
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Re: New Book

Postby TerrorOfTucson on Wed Jan 29, 2014 7:57 pm

Nobody topside to inform us in Titan; the Eval crew calls from the gate and says, This is Capt. Doom and his Crew of Gloom, requesting entry for your no-notice on-site evaluation."
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Re: New Book

Postby silo warrior on Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:20 pm

I don't think I ever had a no notice DOV check at the site. We always had the MPT portion first so if you passed that you knew they would be coming to the site on your next alert. One give away that the MPT ride was going to be DOV was if you had an the M8 or M12 trainer slot. Those were pretty much given to DOV. Line Swine always got M19 or M22 always late night. I don't remember how it worked for a no notice DOV ? If they showed up at the gate phone and you don't have a dispatch for them did you have to call code control before you could let them on the site? If code control called out a dispatch all the crews knew the DOV MCCCs so if you had there name you would know that they were coming. On one other note with all the cheating scandals going on I know back in my day there were crews that got prior information on what DOV script they would be seeing on the MPT ride. I had friends in DOV that offered that info to me but I never accepted. I know of one crew that practiced for the script they thought they would get but when they got in the MPT it was a total different script they were so baffled by this they totally lost it and busted the check. That was one reason I would not accept information. The other reason is it was just wrong .

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Re: New Book

Postby Capt. Bill on Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:32 pm

In the early 1970s, a Minuteman Standboard check as we called it could start in the MPT or the field. If MPT first you headed out to the LCC if you passed that part. Of 6 checks I only had one start in the field. Couple of months before I was getting out the FSC called down and said "Sir, Stanboard is here". I went to the high school with the deputy and asked why were they hitting me since I was leaving. He said we don't care about you, we just want you to get your deputy through so he is good for 6 months.
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Re: New Book

Postby silo warrior on Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:55 pm

If I remember right a DOV check was good for a year. The only problem was in Titan II there were four crew members if you had a crew change and the new member was due a check you knew you were going to be checked soon. Had a check by 3901st once we all received HQs they gave us cards saying as long as we stayed together as a crew we were good for a year.

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Re: New Book

Postby Batman on Thu Jan 30, 2014 5:41 pm

Speaking of smells, I will never forget the odor wafting off the sewage lagoon in high Summer when the bacteria were busy doing what bacteria do.

And there was a unique smell I remember downstairs in the LFs. We discussed it once at Chanute, and the consensus was that it was the smell of the fungicide used in the bird's ablative material.

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Re: New Book

Postby silo warrior on Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:00 am

I remember the first Global Shield exercise they had the sites double crewed. The smell was not too bad until we completed pre attack checklist. We had to close the Control Center blast valve so no more fresh air. Then we went to plumbing shut off no more pumping the sewage out of the Control Center. We had eight crew members in the Control Center so we had to ration the use of the latrine. I cant imagine what the ACPs with two crews plus Battle Staff would have been like. That was the worst smells I ever encountered.

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Re: New Book

Postby MajorG1000 on Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:42 am

"Smells like Team Spirit!"
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Re: New Book

Postby TerrorOfTucson on Wed Feb 05, 2014 8:07 pm

As Silo Warrior said, a DOV check was good for a year, if-and-only-if your crew remained intact. Did anyone (Anyone? Buehler?) on these forums ever go a full year? Not I, said the Samster.
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Re: New Book

Postby Capt. Bill on Wed Feb 05, 2014 9:29 pm

TerrorOfTucson wrote:As Silo Warrior said, a DOV check was good for a year, if-and-only-if your crew remained intact. Did anyone (Anyone? Buehler?) on these forums ever go a full year? Not I, said the Samster.


Went and checked my certificates. I went from Nov 1970 to Aug 1971 or almost 10 months without a check. I think they tried to do them every six months back in the early 1970s but my commander was getting out and we two HQs so they waited until I changed to a MCCC who was upgrading from DMCCC.
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Re: New Book

Postby MajorG1000 on Wed Feb 05, 2014 11:11 pm

In the four years I spent on crew, including my time in DOTI, I was given a total of 15 checkrides. Of those, one was a field check. That means that roughly every 3 to 4 months I was recrewed with a new partner. This was especially true when I became a Commander and was actually called by the Squadron CC; "The Squadron Mule" because I was tasked with bringing along so many new squadron deputies. Remember, this was in the time of "Dual Qualified" and guys stayed on line crew until after upgrading to MCCC before going into the shops.
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Re: New Book

Postby Capt. Bill on Wed Feb 05, 2014 11:20 pm

I was on crew for three years but only had 6 checks. I spent almost a year and a half with the same commander because we were one of the last MM I crews. I would have not have had the 6th check since I had an early out, but they wanted me to get my deputy through one so he would be good for at least 6 months. Of the other 5 checks only one was not for one of us upgrading.
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Re: New Book

Postby silo warrior on Wed Feb 05, 2014 11:44 pm

TerrorOfTucson wrote:As Silo Warrior said, a DOV check was good for a year, if-and-only-if your crew remained intact. Did anyone (Anyone? Buehler?) on these forums ever go a full year? Not I, said the Samster.


I checked my stuff and best I can figure I had nine checks in four years. One was a 3901st check that was supposed to be good for a year but my MCCC left and we all went to different crews.

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Re: New Book

Postby TerrorOfTucson on Wed Feb 05, 2014 11:50 pm

Major G, what did you think of the Dual-Qualified program Col. Wallace installed? Dick Duncan told me he liked it. How were the evals done? Did you spend time in each chair? I thought it was nuts, but my opinion carried no weight. And, do you know, or recall, how long that lasted after Wallace went to 15AF?
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