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Re: New Book

Postby sherwood on Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:25 pm

PASMAN II wrote:I just purchased "Command & Control" tonight. I am looking forward to sinking my teeth into this tomb over the weekend! I'm a Minuteman III guy, so it will be interesting learning about the Titan and accident(s). I have also visited the Titan Museum in Green Valley, AZ. At least that will give me a small visual perspective on the system!


Did you take the one hour tour, or the full top-to-bottom tour all the way down to silo level 8 (which I've read they use for storage)?

I'm on the other side of the country, so the odds of me getting out to the museum are slim.
Besides, there's not so much reason to go, unless my kids and grandkids are along to see what their old man did, once upon a time years before they were even thought of.
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Re: New Book

Postby PASMAN II on Sat Jan 25, 2014 7:03 pm

sherwood wrote:Did you take the one hour tour, or the full top-to-bottom tour all the way down to silo level 8 (which I've read they use for storage)? I'm on the other side of the country, so the odds of me getting out to the museum are slim. Besides, there's not so much reason to go, unless my kids and grandkids are along to see what their old man did, once upon a time years before they were even thought of.


I visited in 2004. It was about a 2 hour tour below. We went to the LCC and were allowed to go up one floor (kitchen/living quarters?) and down one floor (equipment?). Going from memory. Then we walked the tunnel out to the missile. Got to circle the missile. Even that little bit was pretty impressive. I hear they have opened up the tour a lot more now. I don't know how old your grandkids are but I wouldn't take any kid under ~12. It would be too boring for them. I spent about 4 hours at the Titan museum most of which was talking to the Docent and comparing MMIII (my system) and Titan II (his system). Yup! The Docent was a Titan II crewdog. Nothing is more boring to civilians than 2 crewdogs talking shop!

Anyway, when I finished the tour of the Titan museum, I drove over to the AMARC at Davis Monthan AFB and took the tour of the aircraft boneyard. I was there about 4 hours. If your grandkids are AF/Aviation enthusiasts, this is one 8 hour day that they would enjoy IMHO. Where else can they get a picture of themselves standing next to a Titan II nuclear missile and an SR-71? :D
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Re: New Book

Postby Capt. Bill on Sun Jan 26, 2014 2:28 am

I toured the Titan Museum during an AAFM reunion too the basic tour because of the number of people and time. They have several tours

http://www.titanmissilemuseum.org/index.php?pg=3

One-Hour Guided Tours

Offered on a first-come, first-served basis every day of the year except Christmas and Thanksgiving. The starting point for most visitors. Read more...

Crew Tours

Tuesdays at 9:00 a.m. Tour the missile site with former Titan II Missile Combat Crew Members as your tour guide. Hear their stories and learn from their first hand experiences. Read more...

Director's Tour

1st Thursday of Every Month 9:00 A.M. Tour the museum and missile site. Your tour guide will be Yvonne Morris, Director of the Titan Missile Museum and a former Titan II Missile Combat Crew Commander. Read more...

Beyond the Blastdoor Tours

Get a deeper understanding by going to areas normally closed to the public. Offered on the first and third Saturday of every month.
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Titan Top-to-Bottom Tours

This tour is nearly five hours long and takes you through all eight levels of the underground silo. Read more...

Moonlight MADness Tours

Tour the Titan Missile Museum by the light of the full moon! Fun for the whole family.
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Titan Overnight Experience

What was it like for Titan II crew members to sleep underground only a few feet away from the largest missile ever made by the United States? Now you can find out! Read more…
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Re: New Book

Postby Scruge on Sun Jan 26, 2014 2:45 pm

I recommend the top to bottom tour. It's a little pricey if you take all the kids, but well worth the experience. I did it alone in 2009 and again with my wife in 2012.
The areas visited are similar to those we inspected daily while on alert.

You'll have to schedule ahead of time, as the group size and tours are limited.
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Re: New Book

Postby PASMAN II on Sun Jan 26, 2014 8:05 pm

Back to the book. I am about 25% done. No, I didn't check-out the ending. My initial response is: The Missile careerfield needs any publicity it can get. I'm a little uncomfortable about how the author (Schlosser) writes. He writes from a crewdog perspective. I checked his bio, and he was never a crewdog. I guess what I am trying to say is, "I'd feel more comfortable with Schlosser if he gave a little more credit for his writing style to his (living) crewdog & maintainer ""helpers""." Just my opinion. You know, considering some maintainers died and all...

Still a good read.
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Re: New Book

Postby MajorG1000 on Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:47 am

I think he did an excellent job of portraying everything a CrewDog encountered. Sight, Smell, Sound, Touch...I think it would have been a disservice for him to write any differently. His appendices are thorough and well documented. I think he sumerged himself in the Titan System in order to write this book, and even if he didn't get every detail right, should be commended. It is the closest any of us will ever get to a Warble Tone, the sight of grey and green paint, or the smell that only a capsule had ever again. (I never pulled Titan Alert, only Minuteman...my rememberances may be different in colors, sounds and smells because of that...but strong memories were reawakened by reading this book.
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Re: New Book

Postby TerrorOfTucson on Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:52 am

Top-To-Bottom Tour. One of these days I'm taking my wife there, and showing her what I used to work with. But, not the T2B--my bladder won't let me (and I don't think she'd appreciate it). Last time I went was in '04 for the 390th Memorial Association 20th Anniversary Reunion (of the Deactivation), and went down to Level 7--7 of us crammed into the elevator (w/o the Canister Masks). My recollection is the LCC no longer smells as it did operationally, my guess being they leave it open to atmosphere with the blast doors always open--which I first noticed in '94 at the 10th Anniversary Reunion.
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Re: New Book

Postby MajorG1000 on Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:02 am

It's not as though I really miss the smell, but....
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Re: New Book

Postby silo warrior on Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:06 am

Major G1000 you got it right the green and grey. Seafoam green equipment was 28volt and required for launch. Grey panels and equipment was either 480 v or 220v or 110 volt. I was never in a Minuteman complex but I am sure the smells were the same. I am sure the sounds were pretty close also two PAS speakers going off 465L going off 487L going ka chunk ka chunk and wing wire ringing all the time good times miss them more and more each day. Oh yes and don't forget the HF and UHF radios making noise. And then everything at the site coming to a stop for the General Hospital saga of Luke and Laura. Oh the joys of day time soap operas.

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Re: New Book

Postby MajorG1000 on Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:10 am

"Ring, ring, ring; KACHUNK!"
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Re: New Book

Postby sherwood on Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:03 pm

TerrorOfTucson wrote:Top-To-Bottom Tour. One of these days I'm taking my wife there, and showing her what I used to work with. But, not the T2B--my bladder won't let me (and I don't think she'd appreciate it). Last time I went was in '04 for the 390th Memorial Association 20th Anniversary Reunion (of the Deactivation), and went down to Level 7--7 of us crammed into the elevator (w/o the Canister Masks). My recollection is the LCC no longer smells as it did operationally, my guess being they leave it open to atmosphere with the blast doors always open--which I first noticed in '94 at the 10th Anniversary Reunion.


Without the Motor-Generator and the 465L running, you're not going to get the ozone like before, but I think you're forgetting the bigger change from back then.

In the Titan Museum CC now, there's no smoking allowed.

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I didn't, but most of the guys I was on crew with smoked.
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Re: New Book

Postby SAC Killer on Mon Jan 27, 2014 11:54 pm

At Wing I few crew smoked. But at Wing VI, a large percentage of maintenance smoked. I always thought it was stress. Some maintenance chewed, because smoking below grade at the LF was forbidden. And yes, I know about the butts at the bottom of the launch tube.
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Re: New Book

Postby MajorG1000 on Tue Jan 28, 2014 8:45 pm

I smoked when I was on crew, and yes, that added to the bouquet of the capsule. It never got smokey as cooling air circulated and vented it pretty well. I no longer smoke, but I do remember those ubiquitous big amber ashtrays!
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Re: New Book

Postby Capt. Bill on Tue Jan 28, 2014 8:50 pm

In Minuteman, smoking was only allowed in the acoustical enclosure. Hard to explain a maintenance guy welding in the entry why he couldn't smoke there .
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Re: New Book

Postby MajorG1000 on Tue Jan 28, 2014 8:51 pm

Diesel Fumes.
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