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Re: On-Alert and Uniform Pictures

Postby ram02 on Sat Dec 12, 2009 8:10 pm

wally wrote:That's an LCC photo. They pulled both consoles, put the REACT console where the deputy's used to be, and put a bed where the commander's used to be. It's side by side, which is why they're sitting like they are--it's now a four-handed keyturn (to prevent an unauthorized launch by one person). The video screens in front of each crewmember do different things--the screen on the left consolidates all the communications systems (so all your messages show up in that screen), the one on the left displays all your weapon system status (the replacement to the LSMPs and system printer, essentially). Each crewmember has one of each screen so they can independently do what they need to do.

No relief tubes, sorry. They even upgraded the bathrooms to have real walls instead of the old curtain. MUCH more user-friendly system!


This is a better shot of what Wally's talking about; it's from H-01 at Malmstrom. The gray chairs were installed in 2003 or so, I remember that was my very first T.O. change I posted at my operational unit. The still had the red chairs at Vandenberg when I went through the schoolhouse, but had swapped them to the gray chairs by the time I got to Malmstrom. The gray panel in the right foreground is actually the door to the bathroom. The little circular patch of carpet by the deputy's chair covers a little access hatch to the DC Motor Generator switch. This is a PLCC; in the SCP, the space where the card table is at is taken up by extra SACDIN equipment and the filing cabinet is by the bed. This LCC is also pre-Netlink, since it's also got the old-school TV by the SAS container. IIRC, the cabling for the TV was long enough to reach to the console top, so a lot of people would take the TV out of its little cubby and place it on the console, rotate the chairs so they faced one another, and sit on the deputy side (the side closest to the foreground) with their feet propped up on the other chair since that was the side with the better telephone (most talking on a regular phone line was done using the STU III instead of the little black handsets integrated into the console).

Other little life-on-alert tidibts: you can see a red toolbox underneath the card table; always a pain in the butt to inventory monthly. Most crews turned off the florescent lighting and just ran off the lights that hung from the ceiling (the correct T.O. name escapes me right now). As a personal technique, I liked to keep all the lights on during the day then turn off the florescent lights when it would be night outside, then turn them on again in the morning; I felt it helped keep my body clock somewhat in line with the outside world, but off course the textbook standard was all lights on, all the time. The clothespins on the center console were not used for airing out one's socks, but to keep track of checklists one had open in their many documents. While I was on alert, I never heard of anyone using the blanket and sheets on the bed. Instead, there was a plastic tub just outside the acoustical enclosure that held sheets and pillowcases laundered on base-- most people would cover the blanket already on the bed with a clean sheet from the tub and replace the pillowcase, then bring their own blanket or sleeping bag to throw on top of that.

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Re: On-Alert and Uniform Pictures

Postby SAC Killer on Sat Dec 12, 2009 8:28 pm

wblakeney wrote:A four handed key turn now. Forty years ago we used to theorize about one person putting a key on pole and doing both key turns.


We used to think about how to do this. In Mod, a popular approach was to wind a length of fishing line around the DMCCC key and stand at the MCCC console to turn the other key.

Nobody could figure out how to work around the Inhibit command, though. Which is good.
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Re: On-Alert and Uniform Pictures

Postby Bill in Missouri on Sun Dec 13, 2009 12:12 pm

Thanks fellows for the REACT photos and explanations. Now I can verify that I am STONE AGE missileman. About the only thing I could identify with in the photo is the little cover over the motor generator button. The comments on the bunk also show quite a difference. We used the sheets and blankets plus extra blankets to use as a curtain (no curtains when we started). But our crew did remove those crazy white overalls and sleep in skivvies. TV - what the heck was that. Never saw one of those in an LCC. If we played with the HF radio a bit we may bring in a foreign station but not very often. UHF Radio - Seldom heard other than choppers flying over. But I did get one hell of a surprise one late night when our little old LCC out in the boondocks with no particular super identity was called by Looking Glass on UHF for a com check. Never can figure out why I ever heard that call because the radio was rarely turned up high at night but it came blasting through loud enough to sit me straight up in the chair and even wake up the MCCC from his slumber. At night, all the florescent lights went off primarily because all we had was a couple of blankets rigged up as curtains for privacy in the bunk.. The bright lights would have prevented any sleep. The photo of the new toilet setup looks like an amazing improvement. Ours was a stainless steel toilet/sink combo just like you see in prisons and there was no light in that area that I recall - it was just lighted by ambient light from the main LCC. Enjoy reading how the field progressed over the years and thanks for the updates. Where would be the best place to post a rather funny story about our first Standboard Eval?

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Re: On-Alert and Uniform Pictures

Postby wblakeney on Sun Dec 13, 2009 12:24 pm

Bill in Missouri, I am one of those stone age missile guys too. When I started it was the same thing, make a blanket tent around the bunk and turn off the main lights. They did finally add a canvas curtain around the bunk. Carpet on the floor? We never had that and no ceiling either, all the cable racks were exposed. I always took out a sweat shirt and put that on instead of my crew blue shirt. The picture I put on page 5 of On-Alert and Uniform Pictures really shows the difference.
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Re: On-Alert and Uniform Pictures

Postby Revbert on Sat Feb 06, 2010 11:40 pm

SAC Killer wrote:
wblakeney wrote:A four handed key turn now. Forty years ago we used to theorize about one person putting a key on pole and doing both key turns.


We used to think about how to do this. In Mod, a popular approach was to wind a length of fishing line around the DMCCC key and stand at the MCCC console to turn the other key.

Nobody could figure out how to work around the Inhibit command, though. Which is good.


Well...one could (theoretically, of course), trip the MCCC circuit breaker (in Deuce, on the panel behind the DMCCC station back in the stone age (83-88), then go to the DMCCC station, turn the key and reset the CB for the MCCC panel....Again, theoretically that would have worked in the MPT, or so I was told, so I guess it would work theoretically in the real world.

Speculation on how to reverse-engineer the enable code damn near got me pulled off alert status....Seems there was a reason "back in the day" that only in Wing VI did the crew have to be armed even when the wing king was in the LCC (God, why can I still recall 207-16????)

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Re: On-Alert and Uniform Pictures

Postby SAC Killer on Sun Feb 07, 2010 1:41 pm

Revbert wrote:
SAC Killer wrote:
wblakeney wrote:A four handed key turn now. Forty years ago we used to theorize about one person putting a key on pole and doing both key turns.


We used to think about how to do this. In Mod, a popular approach was to wind a length of fishing line around the DMCCC key and stand at the MCCC console to turn the other key.

Nobody could figure out how to work around the Inhibit command, though. Which is good.


Well...one could (theoretically, of course), trip the MCCC circuit breaker (in Deuce, on the panel behind the DMCCC station back in the stone age (83-88), then go to the DMCCC station, turn the key and reset the CB for the MCCC panel....Again, theoretically that would have worked in the MPT, or so I was told, so I guess it would work theoretically in the real world.

Speculation on how to reverse-engineer the enable code damn near got me pulled off alert status....Seems there was a reason "back in the day" that only in Wing VI did the crew have to be armed even when the wing king was in the LCC (God, why can I still recall 207-16????)

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I don't see why that is unusual. In my day (70s), you had to wear your weapon any, repeat any, time the blast door was open, or any time anyone, repeat anyone, was in the LCC. Failing to wear your weapon when the CC came out of the elevator would likely have bought an Article 15. Because of the former, we always put weapons on to get chow off the elevator. You just never knew when your scrambled eggs would turn on you.
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Re: On-Alert and Uniform Pictures

Postby PASMAN on Sun Feb 07, 2010 3:17 pm

Revbert wrote:....Seems there was a reason "back in the day" that only in Wing VI did the crew have to be armed even when the wing king was in the LCC (God, why can I still recall 207-16????)Art


If I recall correctly, for Wing VI, the Wing CC could travel with guests (+1, etc) and the guests didn't need to be vouched-for... hence the need for guns. During my crewtime, General Horton and Col Van Dillen made quite a few no-notice visits (with guests) to the various sites I was on-alert at. I never got tired of putting on the welcome to the LCC "dog & pony show" for the wonderful guests! j/k

Also, some senior leaders, and I'm not sayin' who, had quite an interest in a certain medium frequency radio drawer. :D
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Re: On-Alert and Uniform Pictures

Postby wblakeney on Sun Feb 07, 2010 4:10 pm

When I was at Minot I worked at Oscar a lot. Since Oscar was the closest LCF to the base, only 30 miles, we got a lot of visitors. What always bothered me was that if VIPs or top brass were flown out in choppers, there were station wagons driven out the LCF so they would not have to walk from the helicopter pad to the LCF. Guess I knew then I wouldn't make it as general since I would have dressed the wing commander down for wasting gas.
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Re: On-Alert and Uniform Pictures

Postby Bill in Missouri on Sun Feb 07, 2010 4:13 pm

I offered further up this thread to tell a quickie stan/eval story but got no bites. Heck, gotta tell it anyway. On our first stan/eval check in August 63 (Wing II, MMI), we were in one of the only two LCCs operational. MPT was only a gleam in it's inventors eyes then. I was a DMCCC. We were a stan/eval crew ourselves but were undergoing our own first check ride with the senior stan/eval crew. There was a procedure in WS133B to invert the Program Control Panel when a problem was encountered during the launch sequence. As I recall, this supposedly made a more direct connection for the launch command and bypassed the ripple/salvo choice on the PCP. Anyway, during the check as we got to the end of the ride (we had many errors already), we were given a simulated launch key turn problem and it led us to the Invert PCP checklist. I was busy at the DMCCC console during the beginning of the checklist but the MCCC requested I come forward and verify his actions. He had simulated removing the screws that held the panel in but was pointing to the Launch Control Panel and not the PCP panel. YIKES. So I objected as mildly as I could (but was screaming internally) but he overrode my objections and simulated pulling the launch panel out and trying to invert it. At that point the evaluator asked me if that was correct and all I could say is NO - wrong panel. Well, of course we busted the eval overall but while he was awarded a critical error for attempting to invert the wrong panel, I was given a SAT on that task for trying to advise him correctly. But overall, we both busted the eval because of accumulation of errors. This was my first exposure ever to any kind of evaluation and as a second looey I rather thought that my Captain MCCC knew all the ropes. Turns out he had never been evaled on anything in his career before either. Blind leading the blind. Still remember that after 47 years.

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Re: On-Alert and Uniform Pictures

Postby D Preidis on Tue Mar 23, 2010 9:18 am

Here are two photos I just found. First was when I was a Deputy at the 321st in 1985 and the second was when I was a BMAT at McConnell AFB in 1977.
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Re: On-Alert and Uniform Pictures

Postby njh621 on Sat Mar 27, 2010 10:56 pm

Wow Doug, I almost couldn't recognize you in the second picture! I can tell you starched the heck out of those blues! Surprised you had a 'stash; what if TR-5 or a lamp ballast caught fire during your DSV :lol:?
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Re: On-Alert and Uniform Pictures

Postby wblakeney on Sat Mar 27, 2010 11:53 pm

The second picture reminds me of the AF reg that a mustache could not extend past the vermillion of the lips.
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Re: On-Alert and Uniform Pictures

Postby D Preidis on Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:12 am

njh621 wrote:Wow Doug, I almost couldn't recognize you in the second picture! I can tell you starched the heck out of those blues! Surprised you had a 'stash; what if TR-5 or a lamp ballast caught fire during your DSV :lol:?

I was 18 years old in that photo and I guess I was trying to be older. It was the 70s and girls my age liked men with longer hair so many of us tried to compensate by growing (if you can call it that) mustaches.

Everyone starched the heck out of their crew blues. I wanted mine so stiff and the creases so sharp I could shave with them. Some of the slackers just waved an iron over their blues but if you wanted to be considered a sharp troop you needed to keep a crease.
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Re: On-Alert and Uniform Pictures

Postby notlaw99 on Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:08 pm

I never had my Crew Blues washed at the base laundry, I took mine to a commercial facility down town and had mine dry cleaned ans steam pressed. I lived in west Great Falls near the Gore Hill Airport on West Central Avenue so I had to pass the dry cleaners every time I went on Base.
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